Talk:Vitis vinifera

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Name[edit]

  • Standardised capitalisation of botanic name. Should this article not be called Grape vine? - Imc 23:11, Dec 24, 2003 (UTC)
  • Re name - Grape vine seems to link to an article about the genus, and this is just a particular grape vine, so no. Morwen 23:16, Dec 24, 2003 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the vote of confidence. Dbroadwell 05:47, 25 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Peer review Comments[edit]

Do you have picture? ilya

I have a couple, but am waiting for permission to come in. Dbroadwell 16:31, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Please, take my comment in good faith because I mean no offense, but "sook" is not a word, aside from an Australian slang term which is inappropriate for the existing context in the 'Uses' section of the article. I can only assume you meant to use the irregular past tense of the word "seek," which is "sought", which fits the context much better; as a native English speaker I don't think this could be a casual mistake of a native English speaker, so I assume that you are not. Of course I am happy of any contribution of quality from any source, which yours surely is, so be sure you have my full support. I am wondering though, what is your background in terms of experience with viticulture, and what is your country of origin if you do not mind telling. I only ask out of curiosity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.16.61 (talk) 16:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


Please review the History section. It is incorrect in many respects. The ancient Greeks did NOT introduce vitis vinifera to Europe. They learned it, along with so many other things from the pelasgian-thracian civilization, a part of which they displaced. My advice to you: please do NOT write where you do not have solid knowledge! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.248.230.65 (talk) 01:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

You should take your own advice. There is no archaeological culture called "Pelasgian-Thracian". Pelasgian was a Homeric name for what were possibly the natives of the Hellenic area, and the Thraikes were "barbarians" living to the north of Makedonia. You clearly have an ulterior, biased motive here. Source: my career is in archaeology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.56.129 (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

I removed the picture as it showed V. labrusca, not V. vinifera, as do all the pictures on the page grape. We need some more variety in our pictures. Rmhermen 01:47, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

I once again removed a picture. It showed 'Campbell Early', which is primarily a Vitis labrusca-derived hybrid. I'll see if I can track down a legitimate vinifera picture at some point. I also removed the word 'fickle', as it seemed to be used in appropriately. 'Fickle' suggests something which is highly changeable, which the demand for seedless grapes has not been: they have been overwhelmingly preferred for over a century in most countries, and there is a steady trend globally towards seedless cultivars.Elakazal 17:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


The photo of the plant in bloom does not appear to be Vitis vinifera as I said on that photo's talk page. Can anyone confirm and remove the image? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.239.84 (talk) 07:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Expanded History section[edit]

I translated this section from the Italian wiki. I think maybe it need a cleanup and wikified and all that. Any takers? --BodegasAmbite (talk) 11:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

More than cleanup and wikifying, it desperately needs references. The Italian version didn't cite any sources? ~Amatulić (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

History: The dates have to be wrong[edit]

  • The appearance of Vitis vinifera has been dated to between 130 and 200 million years ago, with the human relationship to the plant dating from the Neolithic period.

This has got to be totally incorrect- perhaps by an order of magnitude- since the first known flowering plant fossil (Archaefructus) dates to only 125 mya, and the divergence of the existing section of the Vitaceae is estimated in the 92 to 78 mya range according to this web page: [1]. Even the beginning of the Atlantic Ocean dates to 130 mya at the earliest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuck Entz (talkcontribs) 02:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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Cru[edit]

just removed this text from article - was not in the historical sequence. But someone may be able to re-use it on a page such as Cru (wine)? Somej (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

(Crus, #1 The Union des Grand Crus de Bordeaux (UGC). Bordeaux wine consists of Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet franc, Malbec, Merlot, and Petit Verdot Grapes. Bordeaux is a port city on the Garonne River in the Gironde department of southwestern France. Burgundy (A.K.A) Bourgogne is an historic and highly respected wine region in eastern France. Burgundy Grand Cru or Burgundies consist's of Pinot Noir and Chardonnay Grapes. #2 Champagne Mailly Grand cru was classified Grand Cru in 1920. The exceptional quality of Mailly grapes comes from the area’s chalk subsoil that regulates soil temperature and humidity, and hillside plantings that enjoy full exposure to the sun. The three main grapes in Champagne are Chardonnay, Pinot Noir, and Pinot Meunier. A bottle of Champagne contains 49 million bubbles and has 90 lbs of pressure. #3 Barolo is a red Denominazione di Origine Controllata e Garantita (DOCG) wine produced in the northern Italian region of Piedmont. It is made from the Nebbiolo grape and is often described as one of Italy's greatest wines. The most desirable and highly contested cru in Italy is Piedmont located in the Barolo winemaking region, the Cannubi hill. Barbaresco is an Italian wine made with the Nebbiolo grape. #4 Barbaresco is produced in the Piedmont region in an area of the Langhe immediately to the east of Alba. This cru consists of 38 hectares (95 acres) of land overlooking the town of Barolo. Barbaresco is the Queen to Barolo's King. #5 Chianti comes from the Chianti region of Tuscany (Italy). Only wines from this region can properly be called Chianti. The main grape in Chianti is Sangiovese (Sangiovero clone), Nero, Trebbiano and Malvasia.